Berg: You affirmed recently ("My Bet With Francis Fukuyama" WSJ, August 5, 2008) that the war in Iraq is over and the U.S. has won. A more predominant view might be that we are perhaps rather at the tail end of a protracted final phase of the war. Isn't it too soon to claim victory?
Stephens: There's a story today that the U.S. Army is no longer awarding combat citations to troops deployed to certain areas of Iraq because those areas have been so thoroughly pacified. That includes Anbar province, now fully under Iraq's sovereign administration. This tells us something. Nobody expected - and Bush explicitly noted in his Sept. 20 2001 address to Congress - that our wars on terrorism would not end with signing ceremonies aboard battleships. But what's clear is that we've reached a point in Iraq that cannot be realistically characterized by the word "war." Is there a better word, or phrase, or acronym? How about "Potentially Hostile Situation Other Than War," or PHSOTW. Well, we can work on that one.
There's an understandable reluctance on the part of people like Bush and Petraeus to declare "Mission Accomplished," not least because declaring an end to the war has political and security ramifications. But at some point it becomes unhelpful both to our understanding of where we are and where we should go to use inaccurate terminology. We have defeated Saddam Hussein, we have installed a democratic government that does not threaten its neighbors and can defend itself, we have destroyed both al Qaeda and the Mahdi Army as meaningful military threats either to ourselves or the Iraqi government. What other goals remain? We've won. We owe it not least to the soldiers who sacrificed their lives for victory that victory has at last been achieved and that their sacrifice was not in vain.
Berg: In that same column, you had no qualms about describing present day Iraq as a 'democracy.' Others would argue that it is still too early to see whether the new democratically inspired regime will really pass the test of time. But it seems you have great confidence in "democracy building" in the Arab world. What is the basis of your confidence?
Stephens: Iraq is a democracy by any reasonable description of the term. It has a lawfully chosen prime minister and an elected parliament, each with defined constitutional powers, it has political parties, universal suffrage and regular elections. The Iraqis have demonstrated their commitment to democracy by the endless tussles over the various pieces of legislation that have defined the so-called political benchmarks set for it last year. Maliki's hardball approach to a status-of-forces agreement with the U.S. is largely a function of domestic politics and elections scheduled for later this year. How is this not democratic, except that the institutions are obviously young and fragile? American institutions were in a similar stage when, for instance, Aaron Burr was around, or John C. Calhoun.
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It is wrong to say that I have "great confidence" in democracy building. It is a fraught, dangerous and reversible process. What is true is that I have much less confidence in the Arab status quo that exists outside Iraq: the pressure-cooker authoritarianism of Egypt; the Saudi gerentocracy; Syria's (minority) Allawite regime. All of this strikes me as fundamentally unsustainable, whereas the processes now taking place in Iraq are, at least, potentially sustainable. Time will be the judge, but in the meantime it seems to me that both our long-term strategic interests as well as our moral values argue in favor of trying to seek democratic openings wherever we can plausibly do so.
Berg: But didn't the Bush administration's over-confidence in such democracy-building strategies set up the US to be blind-sided by the bloody insurgency that reigned chaos in Iraq just prior to the surge, a chaos which seemed to confirm that the Iraq war was an enormous strategic blunder?
Stephens: As for the mistakes of the Bush administration, they are too many to enumerate here. But plainly the establishment of a democratic Iraqi government was not one of those mistakes. On the contrary, it legitimized the entire effort. Just imagine an alternative scenario, in which we had installed a dictatorial puppet and then faced an insurgency: Would Americans, skeptical as they already are of the invasion, have stood for that?